Literary UPICK || Chapters 7-16

ok I think our timezones might be a little far apart so I'm not gonna wait for lulu. I'm going to work with the information that I could gather so far, and if there is anything wrong with it, pls correct me.

Here is a history of the jails that have happened in this game:


I don't think we had been able to identify this until know, but the mafia jailer has an every-other-night action. The biggest mysteries about these jails are what happened to lulu's jail on N3? and who did lulu target on N2? Her original target isn't as relevant because she was prevented from acting by the mafia jailer.

what happened to lulu's jail on N3?

lulu suggested that her jail had been redirected onto Tiki, but Tiki had already explained on the previous phase that he was going to jail himself, even though I don't!!! understand!! Why he would claim ahead of time!!!!!!

who did lulu target on N2?

idfk, but if we're still going with the assumption that the Butt Book is a mirror role, then I'd say it's most likely mafia. Nautilus suggested that there are more than three redirection-y roles in the game, two of these are Blaire and eleni. I'm willing to lynch any other redirection role that exists in this game (except for Alca's redirection claim, I'm feeling more comfortable about that now). If lulu can tell us who she targeted on N2, I think we should lynch that person. Unless that person is me because that means that there's something clearly wrong in my thinking lmao.

now, the biggest question of ALL,

who is the mafia jailer?

Considering all the information we have gathered so far, we're really close to finally being able to identify the mafia jailer. For one, the mafia jailer can't be any of the players that were prevented from acting during the phases where it showed up in rollover. That means:

N0 -> Sammie, alca, high seraph, chinomi
N2 -> eleni, lulu, Five, Aeiou (dead)
N4 -> alca, Gerry, eleni, chi

The mafia jailer also can't be either Rasei, deo, Tiki or Pan, for obvious reasons. In conclusion, any one of these players can be the mafia jailer: Luxaria, drandahl, plotstickers, ezzelin, T3tsuya, Entelechy and Ardonye.

If you guys have any information that could help us narrow down this group, this is the perfect time to reveal it, imho. For what is worth, the only players who have made any claims or have had their roles minimally hinted at are Luxaria (to me this game isn't Town vs Mafia, but rather Lux vs Role), T3t (killing me would actively blow the fuck up in the faces of whichever faction chooses to do it) and Ardonye (who has been sending dog letters around); furthermore, T3t was the original N0 NK target, so that kind of rules him out too I guess?? As for Lux's claim, if we buy it, then it also kind of rules her out because a jailer doesn't really bring so much grief (does it?? I've never been a jailer), but I'd take her claim with a grain of rice.

For the time being, I'm gonna set my vote down on vote: plotstickers.


oh! and FYI, i'M BACKING UP THESE POSTS OK FUCK U

edit also lemme put this back up here because why the fuck not

hint history:

The more I think about it, the more strange I think it is for the town to have so much re-directing power???

like how many re-direct roles do we have in play

seirously

edit: s u p wall of lucas

edit2: didn't someone (aka maf jailer) jail lulu n1???

sup nye

Blaire and eleni are two redirection-y roles we have. Alca isn't strictly redirection, and I've suggested time and again that she's a roullete, to which she hasn't confirmed or denied (which is understandable tbh). She definitely isn't the role thief that acted on lulu, anyway, since she was jailed. The other redirectiony role we know of is the Butt Book, but I don't think mirror roles are usually town-aligned (and I don't think this is the role that nautilus was referecing to in her posthumous message, since this doesn't appear to be an active role). Anyway, nautilus did mention more than three active redirection roles acted while we were in the house, so she probably wasn't talking about alca/Butt.

Yeah there are too many redirection roles in this game and it's highly unlikely that any of them, outside of Blaire/eleni/alca, are town-aligned. Which is why I said I'd be down for lynching them.

edit yeah someone jailed lulu, but I'd still be interested in knowing who she tried to target on that phase. Granted, it's not much useful information anyway so if she doesn't want to say it, I'm cool with that too. I just REALLY want to know who she targeted on N2 because I don't think she ever revealed that?

edit2 oh shit no wait let me review this stuff

OK YEAH SOMEONE JAILED LULU ON N1 I DONT KNOW HOW I MISSED THAT WTF

If this is the mafia jailer's action, then this proves that the jailer ISN'T every-other-night and also that ezzelin can't be the mafia jailer. But what happened to the N3 mafia jail then? jesus christ

edit: The DEFINITIVE jail history:


Possible mafia jailers: Luxaria, drandahl, plotstickers, T3tsuya, Entelechy and Ardonye.

some ideas on what happened to n3 jail:
- same person was jailed by both jailers?
- forgot to send their night action
- jailer was incapacitated
- mafia jail was x number of uses
- rollover editing ability in play?

edit: i like how it's just u and me ;)

hmmm, we don't really know Tiki's entire role (and we shouldn't), but I don't think he would have multiple uses of his blanket protection. Granted, mafia could still have jailed him in order to prevent any other protection he could have up his sleeve, if any. So yeah, I guess it's possible that both mafia and Tiki jailed Tiki. :|a

eta: then again, Tiki also made the strange choice of claiming what he would do ahead of time, so I don't think mafia would have wasted their jail on Tiki unless?? they thought he was lying? idk

@hosrs, if someone is jailed/stunned twice in the same phase, would it show up twice?

all the other things u suggest are also valid thank u mariya ;w; the only one I'm not so sure about is the rollover editing, because it brings us back to the main issue we had with the gibberish role, that mafia would have to see rollover before they could edit anything out of it. I think a lot of people can manage being online by the time rollover is posted, so we could easily notice it if rollover was ever edited. Unless there was some kind of arrangement between mafia and hosrs to let them edit out something that they knew would happen but... idk this seems unlikely because nobody knows with 100% certainty that their role will succeed and appear in rollover, and I also remember another game hosted by Kiyoko where this sort of arrangement wasn't allowed.

For what is worth, the mafia jailer is most likely anyone among Luxaria, drandahl, plotstickers, and Entelechy, so I'd be down with lynching either one of them this phase. I'll look through their posts one more time and check if anything else stands out about them though, so maybe this list will get even thinner by the end of the day.


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high seraph wrote:hmmm, we don't really know Tiki's entire role (and we shouldn't), but I don't think he would have multiple uses of his blanket protection. Granted, mafia could still have jailed him in order to prevent any other protection he could have up his sleeve, if any. So yeah, I guess it's possible that both mafia and Tiki jailed Tiki. :|a

eta: then again, Tiki also made the strange choice of claiming what he would do ahead of time, so I don't think mafia would have wasted their jail on Tiki unless?? they thought he was lying? idk

Which reminds me that, yeah, even I role claimed all I could do, I did, maybe, possibly, neglect to mention that on D5 I get revealed to be Town. =D

Also, was going to RP a reaction to Angelstar getting taken out, probably by a Town, but too tired. I can see the logic though, as she "won" the vote in her House of Leaves room vote, and we have managed to avoid almost every NK (though we definitely need to improve our lunch accuracy...).

who do you think we should lunch, tiki?

i mean, youre confirmed townie so your input is especially important.

edit: also @mariya, the possibility that "jailer was incapacitated" doesn't fit either, because the only incapacitated players were Tiki and Rasei, both of whom are decidedly not the mafia jailer. I mean, there's the possibility that the mafia jailer was incapacitaded for the same reason lulu's jail disappeared, but idk how likely that is??

high seraph wrote:who do you think we should lunch, tiki?

actual cannibal lucas

@lucas: that's true. tbh when making that list I just thought of possible scenarios without considering the context of the night it happened

omg tiki was the one who mentioned something abt lunch ok

and thats ok mariya! !! i suspected as much anyway, and you've been a gr8 help trying to put some order in the house (not the house tho, it's impossible to put order in that one)



also i keep editing my posts (sorry) but I just wanted to pin this here:

angelstar wrote:i just thought of this as i reread some of the thread and saw alca's post, but i'd like to request that if i do die and there's a revival role interested in reviving me, please wait at least a few night phases before reviving me ;w;

oh i do wanna say though since i saw it mentioned, when I received the timeline lists, I didn't see Tiki's town outing in either of them so the given happened either way it seems

i dont think that matters for anything but anyway yes

I'm in bed, so bear with me.

Kind of amusing that being frustrated by certain mechanics makes me scummy to you, but anyway. My thread on... N2/D3? I think? Had none of the people that were key in the sudden swap to Mitsu on D2. Deo had votes on him and so mafia orchestrating to save him... Wouldn't be out of the realms of suspicion, but seemed unlikely. He also felt kind of town, but you'll notice I focused more on him and Sammiya than on Nye and Ezz that phase. To this end, I commented that we have some very quiet players we know nothing about this far into the game. I said and have said I'd want to  lynch them.

Anyway, I was not in a thread with Aeiou, lulu, and a few others (can't remember off the top of my head) that had the intense D2 discussion. I wanted to more directly question those involved, but now Aeiou flipped town, and my read on lulu since early D2 has been town, so. I find it weird that Aeiou was killed, but I guess watcher roles may be stronger than I think.

Re: "upset about claims"
I was mostly just amused that it resulted in so many claiming in that mess. It makes sense to claim when you're about to go out, but I hate claiming sprees because it feels like... Well there's no real optimization of timing your claim or trying to keep mafia guessing. It arms mafia with knowledge, and now, for instance, they might be controlling Lulu's jail, it sounds like? And killed Aeiou. They would not have known these things before, but then again lulu might have been lynched, so. Eh.

Re: My situation
Let's say this. My role's power has exceptionally high variance linked to how I use it. Lux vs Role happened because during N2 I had my face in my hands as I cried in frustration at this role. That's how much I'm not enjoying it. I stopped using it N2 and N3. I wasn't going to use it again because the stress is not worth it for what I'm getting out of it. I did use it last night, however, to test the timelines. Maybe I'll keep using it. It's arguably anti-town not to use it, but by the end of the game it may turn out to have been useless. Tbh, I'm treating myself like vanilla. If you need an alignment flip, I'm not the most damaging to lose, and I'd share what I can before I go down. Whatever good it'd do.

Otherwise, plot, Duck, and Gerry are my main targets because we have nothing on any of them. The people I won't vote are lulu, Lucas, Tet, eleni, Tiki, Nye, and deo for now. There may be another. Maybe Rasei. This is off the top of my head. I'm hot/cold on Ezz, Alca drandahl, Sammie and chinomi. If I missed someone, sorry. Phone post, etc.

Edit: missed Five. She's hot/cold to me, but tentatively not inclined to lynch her due to a mechanics interaction that suggests she's more likely to be town. But mafia isn't off the table. If I'm to be lynched, I'll explain before I go down.

ANGEL WAS SUCH A CUTE DINOSAUR THOUGH. Do we think that Angel's death was most likely a town vig kill? I personally think it's a really odd kill for both a town target and a mafia target... Angel wasn't really on the radar of anyone, was she? Unless I completely missed something LIKE I USUALLY DO IN THESE FANTASTIC MAFIA GAMES. I'm at work at the moment so this isn't a very long post, sorry. I'm most likely going to vote after work and an appointment I have tonight but hopefully it won't be too close to rollover. I'm not confident in any decision I could possibly make atm and I already led a pretty awful lynch on Blaire during the split threads. I think I'll assume the role of sheep for a little bit, admittedly.

In other news RNG hates me because of reasons.

Hello! I've been very busy and I'm going to continue to be busy but I'll try to check in again around rollover.

I think the unaccounted for stun (the one that neither Rasei nor Pan claimed) might be due to a roulette role. I will neither confirm nor deny that I am a roulette, but that stun wasn't me, in any case. If this is the case, then other abilities that have shown up only once (the ability theft, for example!) might also be part of that same role.

I also think that it's probably a good idea to focus on the players whose ability we know nothing about, since we have some idea of what the mafia abilities might be but nobody who has claimed so far match those abilities.

Ummm... and I guess while I'm here. I think Mr. Gerbear is the butt book, but I also don't think he's mafia because I think it was a town action to make Lulu jail herself, especially considering she was targeted with the NK that same night.

I found the hints in the most recent rollovers. They weren't in the flavor part, they were in the header.

Chapter 7

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The full-size image is this!


I think these are the cover images of the books that acted, since the tiger one is Go The Fuck To Sleep and I think the one with the face in it is the butt book.

Chapter 9

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The URL isn't a real website, so it's probably encoded in the URL. I don't really know what to make of this one at all.

vote: Entelechy

ahh rip angel ;__; i also do think it could have been a town vig kill- she was definitely one of the remaining unknowns in the game for town and probably could have been one of our lynch candidates today.

so i did confirm with Cure yesterday that it wasn't my ability that protected me from the kill! ty mysterious doctor <3

lulu, can you elaborate on why you would vote high seraph and why you're suspicious of Tet? the former is pretty much confirmed mortician role which clears him as town in my eyes, so i'm curious to hear why you think he might still be maf.

high seraph wrote:Considering all the information we have gathered so far, we're really close to finally being able to identify the mafia jailer. For one, the mafia jailer can't be any of the players that were prevented from acting during the phases where it showed up in rollover. That means:

N0 -> Sammie, alca, high seraph, chinomi
N2 -> eleni, lulu, Five, Aeiou (dead)
N4 -> alca, Gerry, eleni, chi

The mafia jailer also can't be either Rasei, deo, Tiki or Pan, for obvious reasons. In conclusion, any one of these players can be the mafia jailer: Luxaria, drandahl, plotstickers, ezzelin, T3tsuya, Entelechy and Ardonye.

i keep on quoting you as holy seraph omg

out of this list, i'm currently disinclined to vote for Tet and mariya, and i think Entelechy is still busy with irl stuff? which has been the case for a while, but... well. i'm open to voting drandahl, plot, ezz, and tentatively Lux today.

for now, vote: ezzelin

edit- wait, i think ezz disappeared from your second FoS list? did i miss something

ahh nice catch alca!! * O* i do see blindsprings in the image- it's the roses in the third row on the very right so i think this adds to the probability that it shows all of the books that acted last night.