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By LuxariaFirst thing's first, I want to tackle Kiyoko's death as the result of Room 4's destruction.
- Spoiler:
Kotakia wrote:THERE IS A ONE SHOT CHOOSE THE PLAYER NOT THE ROOM VIG ROLE OUT THERE. ONCE USED, EVERY 2 NIGHTS WITHOUT A KILL A ROOM WILL BE DESTROYED.
Kotakia wrote:LAST NIGHT MUST'VE BEEN THE ONE SHOT VIG KILL BECAUSE, WHEN SUCCESSFUL, THE ROOM IS DESTROYED.
Kotakia wrote:Based on flavor in my message about how the destruction must go on if there are no kills every 2 nights, I believe the summoning was the random explosion every 2 nights.
Kotakia wrote:correct, kiyo had to have been the targeted kill which resulted in the room being blown up. Now every 2 nights there isn't a kill, another room will be blown up. The flavor in the PM about this role involved something akin to a taste for destruction and how it must continue, so I assume that's what the summon was, some kind of dark spirit that will blow rooms up every 2 nights if there's no kill.
Kotakia wrote:
as to PM: it just gives a general "every two nights without kills". I may be speculating on the random aspect; it just says 'a structure will be destroyed permanently for the blood sacrifice'. It's entirely possible the mafia can choose. I strongly believe Kiyo to be sacrificial lamb for this especially with the blood bit.
I believe that this role is (chaotic) neutral. If not neutral, then mafia. It seems a bit too powerful to be either mafia or town, and the town has a vigilante in the form of the Hunter. There is possibly a victory condition related to the destruction rooms in the event this is a neutral role. It makes sense why the neutral has not come forward if this is their role, because knowing how destructive it is... For awhile I had a theory that plot was neutral due to the message-sending role, but that's moot now.
Given there was a kill attempt on a room that failed, we now have to question if it was this vigbomber role or mafia. Does this mean there are now two traps in play (N0 + N1)? It's also worth noting two different flavor text in N0 vs N2.
nautilus wrote:There was a kill attempt on a room, but it failed!
nautilus wrote:An attempt was made on a room, but it failed!
Regarding Mr. Alice and their role. I thought it was worth taking a look back at who pushed them or didn't discourage them into taking drandahl's role despite the fact we knew it was vigilante-ish. Town vigs are just as likely to shoot fellow townies if not played right and are less likely to use their power, as opposed to an investigation/doctor role.
So here's a breakdown on relevant comments regarding the situation:
- Spoiler:
Kotakia wrote:so then take drandahl tonight and tell us more about him tomorrow and we'll decide if it's likely you actually did or not then.
Luxaria wrote:It's probably a better role than being dead.
T3tsuya wrote:Would you sincerely rather die, or, I don't understand where your angle is here.
high seraph wrote:IS HUNTER EVEN A FUN ROLE OMFG I C ANT?? ?
T3Tsuya wrote:Is anyone here questioning the wisdom of taking probably the most suspected person right now, giving her a gun, and then allowing her time to load said gun and fire randomly into the crowd (Possibly, and statistically likely killing town as we have no other strong leads) just so she can have the chance to say "TOLD YA I'M TOWN" while standing over the still-twitching dead body of someone that didn't need to die?
high seraph wrote:Wait Mr Alice isnt actually supposed to shoot a random person, right? That's not the plan?? The plan is for Mr Alice to copy drandahl and give us all the info about their role and if it seems legit, we accept them as an actual townsperson... [removed text] Oh my God that is a really bad plan guys.
Ninfia wrote:Also I also question the uh... I guess thought process behind handing someone who still could be maf a loaded gun. in all honesty, death photo copier sounds like it could be a mafia ability just as much of a town ability... so... idk I don't think its wise to pressure so harshly. [removed text here] At that point either Mr. Alice would have the ability and be able to kill someone, or they could lie and say they have it but be unwilling to use it for fear of murdering a townie and thus still going incognito if they're maf.
Ardonye wrote:I JUST WOKE UP and I accidentally clicked to the end I was like WHY IS THERE TALK ABOUT GUNS WHAT IS GOING ON DID THE GUNSMITH STRIKE. I don't particularly think the plan about claiming the role to be a great one, but I'm wondering if a role can be claimed in any phase or only night? Is it instant or in effect after rollover? Because I'd rather see how tonight pans out first so we get more information, or if another town role dies.
Mr. Alice wrote:i certainly wish you guys had said something about all that while i was gettin all pressed back there [removed text] looking at this ability though, i actually think i might as well have waited and gotten lynched/killed cuz it's like
not really all that fun
(NO OFFENSE TO DRANDAHL I'M SURE IN THE RIGHT HANDS THIS COULD BE USEFUL BUT LIKE in my hands? nahhh)
OKAY SO. Onto suspects. At the moment I'm inclined to think one of the big talkative people in thread are mafia. Biggest talkers atm: T3tsuya, Luxaria, Kotakia. However, I feel like they've been contributing really well to the thread so it's not a confirmed feeling on anyone in particular (there are also other vocal players who talk a bit that I haven't listed). I urge everyone to keep an eye on both vocal and non-vocal players.
Moving onto the less vocal players. I decided that since we already have a list of room related info, I wanted to make a list of who hasn't been giving up room info as well.
- Spoiler:
People who did not reveal their room status at all N0 (excluding drandahl): AliceofOz, Mr. Alice, T3tsuya, Tiki the Troll, eleni, Ninfia
Unconfirmed pairs: plotstickers + deo, chinomi + ???
Info not on infopost: high seraph had no room partner
People who did not reveal their room N1 (excluding Kiyoko): AliceofOz, Mr. Alice, Tiki the Troll, plotstickers, deo
Unconfirmed pairs: eleni + T3tsuya, chinomi + ???
Info not on infopost: high seraph had no room partner
People who did not reveal their room N2: high seraph, plotstickers, eleni
Unconfirmed pairs: T3tsuya + ???, Luxaria + AliceofOz, deo + Mr. Alice
Info not on infopost: chinomi did not have a roomie last night
People who have not revealed their room status at all: high seraph.People who have only revealed their room status once: Alice of Oz, Mr. Alice, Tiki the Troll, eleni, plotstickers.
chinomi claims to have been rooming with someone N0 + N1. UNLESS SOMEONE WAS LYING, N0 potential roomies are: AliceofOz, Mr. Alice, T3tsuya, Tiki the Troll, eleni, Ninfia and N1 potential roomies are: AliceofOz, Mr. Alice, Tiki the Troll, plotstickers, deo. So please come forward. Also high seraph why have you been so silent about your rooms??
Looking back at the voting in D2. We didn't have as much information as this phase, so I wanted in particular to focus on the early votes because from my experience, early voting (even with multiple vote changes) can be used by mafia to avoid being seen as someone who bandwagons. Townies are also often hesitant without any clear suspects/little information. At the moment I don't suspect alcasync because they just seem to be an early voter, but I'm starting to wonder if eleni is mafia. Why?
Well, eleni states that:
- Spoiler:
eleni wrote:anyhow, people i would vote for this phase...
Sammiya
Tiki The Troll
Rasei
drandahl
plotstickers
deo
eleni wrote:ok you know what
for the sake of moving discussion forward: vote: drandahl
definitely open to changing my vote, just want to throw something out there. i didn't want to spread votes, but i also don't want to push a second vote on Alice or deo
No discussion is moved forward and drandahl ends up getting lynched due to inactivity. eleni specifically says they'd vote for deo, but didn't want to spread votes, but also didn't want to push a second vote on him? eleni also later says
eleni wrote:i also don't have anyone else i want to vote tbh lol
Which contradicts the earlier post and let's not forget Tiki the Troll was acting pretty scummy?
There is a sudden bandwagon of votes on drandahl after a three-way tie between Mr. Alice, deo and drandahl. This leads me to believe deo can potentially be mafia, along with eleni, plotstickers and also potentially people who have associated with them via room claims.
TL;DR- Vigbomber who killed Kiyoko seems (chaotic) neutral to me, thus explaining why neutral hasn't revealed themselves and likely won't.
- More traps are around than we thought? See N0 vs N2 flavor
- Suspicious of people involved in the push for Mr. Alice taking the vigilante role
- Suspicious of at least 1 talkative person being mafia
- Suspicious of people who haven't been revealing information about their rooms
- Suspicious of eleni's early vote and contradictory statements
THEREFORE
- Biggest suspects atm: eleni, deo
- Suspicious of but not enough to warrant a vote from me yet: Mr. Alice, chinomi, plotstickers, AliceofOz (chinomi or her roomies should out themselves PLEASE)
PSA: hey town people please do not use me as your guide on who to lynch JUST BECAUSE I'M CLEARED AS TOWN. Why? I'm not an investigative role, so the information I get is basically based off of what occurs in thread which you also have access to (and whatever else your role gives you). I don't know everything, I make mistakes and I miss things. So please. Don't wait on me before you do things or use me as the sole basis for something... :')
also guys if I made a mistake PLEASE point it out. I've been changing stuff since I started typing up this post and going back and realizing I got something wrong, etc SO YEAH. sorry. rip
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