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I was not scummy. You figured it out by process of elimination. That is bullshit.


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Can we get accelerated phases please?


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i'm willing to forfeit my win condition too if it means things chilling out/getting the game over sooner to avoid things.


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This was my reaction to D3 in a nutshell.

@Cure - I try. /hugs

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oh my GOD


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The fact that there were no less than FIVE roles that could figure out alignment in a 13 player game, and one of them is a NEUTRAL that can systematically clear all the town players. Publicly. With no repercussions because she's neutral and we had no extra kills.

Okay.

OKAY.


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chinomi wrote:

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I...

I'm completely willing to move to a NV for what it's worth (if chinomi's willing to forfeit her win) if everyone would like the game to end sooner/avoid a messy, drawn out end.

Sorry, everyone. :(

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aaaaa i'm sorry cure that you feel that way
i think part of it was just how things happened to turn out? (like i literally got lucky with both my stuns...)

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That was part of it. But not entirely it. The neutrals make this game inherently unbalanced. There is no incentive for the town-allied neutral to keep the information they have to themselves because they want town to win. So. Basically. They can publicly clear a townie every phase. The mafia-allied neutral cannot do the same.

Also: the amount of bullshit roles town has. Mafia had: A stunvig (single use). A miller roulette (that either mostly did nothing or had bad things happen and we never got it to work). And, me. Our upgrades were: We got a bus (yay) and a role that was literally "IF THIS DEMON IS IN PLAY, THEY WILL KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND YOUR ALIGNMENT" What the fuck kind of role is that? Also the third one is me, again. It seems to me, that all the demon roles were written as town roles before the mafia was rolled. Which means, whoever was the mafia, got stuck with whatever town role they would have had if they were town... which is... kind of dumb and doesn't really help mafia who already had a lot going against them. our upgrades helped us in no way. The only upgrade that helped us is the one I got, after everyone else was dead. Hooray.

ADDITIONALLY: Global watcher, DAILY UPGRADE WITH A GUARANTEED ALIGNMENT REVEAL, Passive protect that reveals who their killer is (I don't know what Alca's original ability was, since this seems to be in ADDITION to her ability. wowowow), roulette cop/doctor/stun, investigate (idk what drandahl was before he upgraded but I suspect it was regular cop), RELIABLE ALIGNMENT REVEAL, dedicated stun, dedicated doctor. A REVIVER does this really seem balanced in comparison to a stun and a rolecop. IN ADDITION TO the fucking OP neutral role.

Yeah, the stuns screwed us over, but there was no way we were winning this game even if that hadn't happened. The fact that Chinomi was able to instantly clear townies like that so you could just figure out who we were based on process of elimination even though I was playing ridiculously pro-town (None of you seemed to have any reason to suspect me other than "well Cure is the only one left so she must be the mafia!!!).

Also the fact that I investigated Kiyo N0 and was told she'd only act on odd nights, so we were going to plan the next night phase around it and then--oh, whoops!! changed to even nights, didn't help much.

I'm sorry, but this game is just... so... glaringly unbalanced, and on top of our shitty luck I have been really sore about it for the entire time, and I usually don't get grumpy about losing mafia games.



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Okay, I'm calling you out on that because we went over things in depth from the getgo.

1) we didn't expect chi to be town-aligning as she was, most neutrals keep quiet until later because, especially with her outing folks, usually leads to neutral death.
2) you had a vigilante that could kill LITERALLY AT ANY POINT IN GAME IN ANY PHASE, PAST OR FUTURE.
3) You had a RECRUITER. They didn't have a crazy high shot at success, but you had a recruiter who was a miller who was also your bus driver. They were also a message sender which is usually a town aligned role.
4) Ninfia's 'reveal to other player' was an attempt to curb how OP you guys were.
5) If T3T didn't get stunned N0 you know hardly any eyes would be on him (unless chi continued to be heavily town aligned)
6) Same with Ninfia's stun. That would've been 2-3 town players killed that fast, plus with more time for T3T to act that's a higher chance of your recruiter.
7) Ada had become an investigation/death miller and so she would've been outed in thread as queen of scum.
8) Kiyoko, yes, that's a thing I can't comment on I wasn't involved with that.
9) We had a role built for town that would've given the mafia an even greater lead with if you killed them at night, it would've gone straight to night again (or if you killed them in the past, you would've been able to time it to make sure your actions go right)
10) Originally, Sammie was the only stun role as her JOAT. I'm the one who suggested we add an actual stun to balance it out. That became Ada. We were going back and forth as to making a role that turncoated, but with how OP the mafia was, we changed our minds.



@chinomi - I didn't notice your role got messed up, originally both of you neutrals were every phase acting but because only 3 mafia Lucas changed it to nights for both and I didn't realize it.


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WHY would you think the town-allied neutral that needs to target townies and have townies be receptive to being targeted WOULDN'T start clearing people in thread/asking to let people be targeted. why would a person not do that. ever.

edit: and why would mafia waste one of their precious kills killing said neutral



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I expected chi to send out messages to anyone but I really didn't peg her to act as another detective. That was my own fault for not catching that. I figured she'd keep going from player to player since she'd only have to not... hit... 3...


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The Town Neutral screwed us over this game more than the two stuns ever did. If not for the town neutral I might have been able to coast along but, oops, process of elimination there is literally nothing I could have done to prevent it.


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